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Old 10-20-2009, 05:17 AM   #586
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hi patrick..

and i read ur comment and im so very inspired now to do magic...

ive been doing magic on like 8months...

and i learn something....

and something... and i just knew that i was good at it now...

thanks for your tips...

ellusionist rock...

i hop i have a t-shirt of that
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:43 AM   #587
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Help!!!!

hey guys,
If you don't know, I am a beginner magician who loves cards.
I was just wondering if there is any advice you could give me on keeping my card care and keeping cards in good condition. My cards seem to wear out after a couple of days of use.

Pls Help!!!!!

Thnx
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:39 AM   #588
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hey guys,
If you don't know, I am a beginner magician who loves cards.
I was just wondering if there is any advice you could give me on keeping my card care and keeping cards in good condition. My cards seem to wear out after a couple of days of use.

Pls Help!!!!!

Thnx
mhmm there sure is. First of all what cards are wearing out? custom cards or regular bikes?
don't even bother to practice with custom cards its a waste of money.
i know in australia normal bicycle are expensive, not anymore apparantly costco got em for $24 per 12.
so i suggest you buy some of them to practice.
another thing is before you use your cards always wash your hands.
that keeps them good for a lot longer.

hope i helped a bit.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:52 AM   #589
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Thanks arto that was helpful. THANK YOU COSTCO!!!!!! just another question fanning powder, whats that all about??

Thnks again

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Old 10-22-2009, 03:11 PM   #590
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Thanks arto that was helpful. THANK YOU COSTCO!!!!!! just another question fanning powder, whats that all about??

Thnks again

RichoMagic
Fanning powder is used to make the friction between all the cards the same. It's not worth it though, it might temporarily restore a deck but then it gets worse a heck of a lot faster and it changes the entire feel of the deck, among other major problems. Useful for card productions, and if you have absolutely nothing else, but trust me when I say it's worth it to buy a new deck. Much better. Don't bother with the fanning powder.
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Old 11-07-2009, 12:05 PM   #591
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beginner ?

when do you know that you are not a beginner anymore ?
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:15 PM   #592
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when do you know that you are not a beginner anymore ?
There is no fine line between beginner and intermediate magicians. When you learn and perform 20 good tricks, you don't transfer into a different realm of magic. In fact, it doesn't really matter that much what "level" you are as a magician. The classification of skill just makes it easier for us to make trick suggestions (an intermediate magician has more experience than a beginner).

That being said, I've been into magic for half a year now, and I still look at myself as a beginner. I think I might consider myself as an intermediate magician when I learn and perform better and more complicated tricks, and get better at audience management.

I'm not exactly sure if I answered your question like you wanted me to. If not, can you please clarify what you are asking? Thanks.

I'm guessing you are asking about the products page, where they say "These tricks are suitable for beginners, and these tricks are suitable for intermediates", or something along those lines.

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Old 11-07-2009, 01:37 PM   #593
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when do you know that you are not a beginner anymore ?
Welcome to the forums!

It's a tough question to answer because there is no set stage at which you transition from beginner to intermediate to expert in magic. It's really based on how you feel you are and what type of material you can handle. For example, I know I'm pretty darn good at something like a double lift, but I can't cull something for the life of me. What I'm getting at is that only you can tell when you're proficient enough at a good variety of skills to be considered intermediate or advanced.

As a rule of thumb though - based on nothing more than my own opinion from what I've seen here and on other forums/with a couple of friends - you need at least 4-5 months of practice before you can be considered intermediate. I base this on both presentational skill and manual skill, as well as (in the case of my friends) what sleights they could do but dont necessarily use.

Everyone will have a different opinion though, so don't take my word as the end all of this question.
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:58 AM   #594
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beginner ?

Thanks both of you it's just I started doing magic for like 3 months ago, and i'm a little terrified because I don't know if i'm going any further in my skills. I don't know if I are staying in the 'level' im in. How do i make progress how do I know if I trained enough in a trick and i can start showing people that trick and start with a new one?

P.S. thank you for such a warm wellcome :D
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Old 11-08-2009, 12:11 PM   #595
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Thanks both of you it's just I started doing magic for like 3 months ago, and i'm a little terrified because I don't know if i'm going any further in my skills. I don't know if I are staying in the 'level' im in. How do i make progress how do I know if I trained enough in a trick and i can start showing people that trick and start with a new one?

P.S. thank you for such a warm wellcome :D
Sorry, I forgot to welcome you to the forums before. :)

We all experience this some time or another. We feel that we aren't progressing at all. I think that we progress so little that it seems like we aren't moving, similar to taking a picture of yourself every day. Compare two consecutive pictures and they will look almost exactly the same, but compare two picture a year apart and they will look very different. Because of this, it is easy to get discouraged. The only advice I can give is just keep pushing on, and it will be all good in the end.

Along those lines, after some thought I've developed more or less a theory that uncertainty is discouraging. If we knew exactly what we have to do to achieve something, it would be much easier for us to do it. If I knew I had to do 563 passes to do it perfectly from then on, or if I had practice for 20 minutes a day for 53 days to master a book, it gives me something to work toward. Knowing what to work needs to be done exactly is encouraging.

Since we don't know how long something will take to accomplish, and we can't see much improvement, there are a few solutions I propose. First, take a "picture" of what you can do every few months. Maybe make a video. This will show you how much you have progressed. Second, put some goals out there so you have something to work towards. Third, keep reminding yourself why you do and practice magic- the best way to "push" yourself into practice is to have a reason for it.


I'll answer your questions that you posted below individually.

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I don't know if I are staying in the 'level' im in.
Again, don't look at magic in "levels". The field of magic is so diverse that levels have little meaning, they are just assigned to people for simplification. If you want to look at it in a quantitative way, look at it as "how many books have I mastered" or "how many tricks can I perform". This being said, keep in mind that constant evaluation isn't necessarily.. necessary (hehe).

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How do i make progress?
Simply put, practice a bunch, and master material that you have. One thing to keep in mind, that we as magicians often forget, is that performing actually counts as practice. You develop audience management skills as you perform more and more.

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How do I know if I trained enough in a trick and i can start showing people that trick and start with a new one?
You've "mastered" a trick once you can do it flawlessly every time. I'd say if you can flawlessly perform it 20 times or more, you're good. I also must add that you can be practicing more than one trick/sleight at once, and it is in fact a good idea to do so. Practicing only one trick/sleight can burn you out very fast. I'm working on 3 sleights at the moment (Cull, Palm, Overhand false shuffle(s))

Hopefully this post has been of some help. If I am wrong in any part of my advice, please say so. Also, I''m interested in what others have to say about what I've been talking about, so post if you wish.

Take care.

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Old 11-08-2009, 03:14 PM   #596
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beginner ?

thank you very much you really helped me. but i have another question, because i love to have a goal but what can you have as a goal ? do you mean a goal like learn how to make two different card shuffles or something like that ?
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:26 PM   #597
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I suppose a goal can be anything that you are aiming to accomplish in the long run. My "short term" goal is to finish Card College 2 (and master all of the moves in it), while my long term goal is to finish all the Card College books, as well as master "Small Miracles". Some goal suggestions might be "to learn and be able to perform 10 great tricks", "to create and master 4 routines", "To master all the sleights in a certain book or DVD", etc. It is really up to you, but make the first few goals you put for yourself short term (maybe a month or so). Learning all the sleights on a book or DVD is a perfect goal.

So basically, you should set a goal that requires you to work towards it over time. In terms of the photograph metaphor I mentioned earlier, imagine what you want to look like 4 months from today, and work towards it (even though you can't really change what you look like, but that's besides the point).

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Old 11-08-2009, 03:29 PM   #598
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thanks again you keep helping me :D i think i already got my first goal in a few days i get how to do street magic and ninja 2 my goal is to master one of em. And then i'm going to the next one :D
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:40 PM   #599
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thanks again you keep helping me :D i think i already got my first goal in a few days i get how to do street magic and ninja 2 my goal is to master one of em. And then i'm going to the next one :D
Sounds good! And no problem ;).

Just one thing that I want to mention is that Ninja 2 is a very hard DVD, as apposed to HTDSM which is very easy. I'm fairly sure that the difficulty the the Ellusionist "Card Trick DVDs" goes (from easiest to hardest):

-Crash Course 1
-Crash Course 2
-Ninja 1
-Ninja 2

So Ninja 2 might be difficult for you at the moment.

Just some quick suggestions (if you are interested in card magic) are: Card College Volume 1, Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic, and Crash Course 1.

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Old 11-09-2009, 05:05 AM   #600
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beginner ?

ok i think i'm going with how to do street magic first then :D and then we'll se what's next :D
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