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    First off I would like to say that, I greatly enjoyed your post and found it interesting and informative. However, I have a question, would you mind letting us know how the UV-500-Air-Flow Finish fits into this whole formula. I have found personally that it seems to make for better card quality, and am just wondering if there is any solid information, and or reasoning to back that up.

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    what about the uv500 airflow finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by themystifier View Post
    haha its on the box and ace of spades where it says A. Dougherty. Mine is spelled Doherty. Close, but still cool.
    cool
    you have had a lot of luck!!!

    manolo

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    wow that was really interesting information!!!
    really a very good job


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    Does anyone know what the uv500 air-flow finish does to the cards? This finish is only found in Ellusionist's custom made cards.
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    For those still wondering, the information in the original post wasn't correct. Tally Ho playing cards and Bicycle 808s use identical paper and finish. The only difference between the two is the back design and the ace of spades. Please don't debate me on this; I've spoken back and forth with the USPC for a long time about the issue.

    Bees, however, are printed differently. The Cambric finish does give the cards a longer lifespan and better handling, but it has nothing to do with cotton or weaving. To be completely honest, the finish is exactly the same as Tally Ho and Bicycle finish, it's just applied much more carefully and is under more surveillance during printing. Ever wonder why Bees cost more when you go to your local supermarket to pick some up? That's why.

    Anyway, hope this clears up things a bit. The original poster really did nothing more but define the names used for the respective finishes.

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    When manufacturing playing cards, you start with the basic paper stock which is comprised of multiple layers of paper which determines how thick the playing card will be as well as its flexibility and snap depending on the composition of the layers. In order to make the card more durable, it is coated with a very thin layer of plastic-like material on both sides - this is the finish. If you left the plastic coating perfectly smooth, your cards will stick together and handle terribly due to the coefficient of friction. This is why card manufacturers "stamp" a pattern or texture to the plastic finish (called calendaring) to allow the cards to smoothly glide against each other by breaking up the coefficient of friction. This texture creates "air pockets" between the cards to minimize sticking and clumping for easier shuffling. This texture, which resembles a grid or woven cloth, varies slightly from brand to brand - hence all the marketing of different names such as linoid, cambric, linen, air-cushion, etc by card manufacturers. At the end of the day, the tiny variations in the textured coating, or finish, of the different brands are designed to acheive the same function, which is to promote glide between the cards, and its the finish in combination with the basic paper stock which gives the different brands their unique qualities.

    For the record, there is no difference in how Bikes (Rider Backs) or Tallys are manufactured, including the finish despite the fact one is called "air cushion" and the other "linoid", as MagicalSock already mentioned. The difference you may feel between the two is more of a quality control issue. Bikes are mass-produced with a lower level of quality control than Tallys. E decks have a custom paper stock and stringent quality control with regards to the finish, printing, and cut of the cards which is why most E decks feel and handle so great. Sorry for the long post, but after reading the original post, I had to get this off my chest.
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    Hi and welcome to the forums. Really appreciated the information you wrote there. Recently, I have bought a deck of Bee playing cards to test out the difference between bikes and tallys. However, there was no cambric finish printed on the deck. Instead, there was 'Premium Casino Quality' printed at the side of the deck. I've read on the web there Bee playing cards have 2 different finishes,smooth and cambric. Is this premium casino quality the smooth or cambric finish?
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    Thanks for the welcome. I think Bee cards are very underrated but aren't as popular for magic because they have a full bleed back design where the pattern goes edge to edge making certain sleights more difficult (although some versions of Bees do have a white border). On standard boxes of Bee playing cards, the words "cambric finish" can be found on the bottom flap next to the bar code. Now some versions of the Bee boxes have a gold border on the face of the box and have the words, "Premium Casino" instead of the standard, "Club Special". Those decks don't mention the cambric finish anywhere on the box but all Bee playing cards have a "cambric" finish. Does your box have a gold border?

    The card stock and finish of the Bee's are the basis for the USPCC's playing cards manufactured for the various casinos they have contracts with. Casinos demand durability and high quality finish, so Bee's are one of the best cards made by the USPCC. I think Bee's are excellent for flourishing/XCM, look how popular Wynn cards have become - Wynns are basically Bee's with a different back design.
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    THanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!! I've always wanted to know the difference! :)

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    I just don't see the use in making up things to look smart. Either some other magician told the OP these things, or he simply made them up. Either way, the information he gave was very wrong indeed.

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    you're right sinjin7, mine does have a gold border. However, it does have 'club special' instead of 'premium casino'.
    Aaron

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    I'm with you MagicalSock, I saw this post a long time ago and just let it go the first time around even though the info was so far off, but when I saw this post revived, I had to say something. I'm sure the original poster had good intentions, though.

    If your Bee deck had a gold border, d34thg0d, then it won't say cambric finish on the bottom next to the bar code even though it does have that finish. Again, if you don't mind the full bleed back design, then I think you'll find that Bee cards compare very favorably to Bikes and Tallys.

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    Yeah I love the full bleed back design. It's something new to me as I only use bikes and vipers.
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    other finishes

    Does anyone know what the Cel-U-Tone finish is? I was looking up card finishes, and after reading every comment and the main post, no one said anything about the Cel-U-Tone finish I found.
    Last edited by MysteriousCard; 07-23-2008 at 10:16 PM.

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